Atheists: if there is no God than what is the Ultimate Reality ?

universe is eternal and cannot be created nor be destroyed





atoms are eternal,they had made everything and everything end into them





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big bang says that time,mattar and space came into existence with the big bang





acc to law of thermodynamics mattar and energy cannot be created nor be destroyed they only transferred





There can be a god which is beyond our mental and physical perception,which we could never prove through any means


it is a face biblical god does not exist in any sense as square circle





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6 thanks|||Ok answer this one for me if there is no god then why is Satan so believable? Its in our culture everywhere! Yes Science has a lot of answers but they will never truly find the one there looking for because of the fact there are so many unanswered question there are things in our universe that happen for a reason but have no explanation.It at times defies the laws of physics how and why? Do you believe in ghost? If you don't then some day you will get an education.There are things in the flip side of reality that not even your mind will even be able comprehend.Because some of it just don't make any sense.I see you try and put a scientific view on it.But there is one thing that will happen to you and it will happen to all of us eventually.We all die! You are welcome to put a scientific theory on that.But I have yet to see some one actually capture a Ghost or a spirit and question them HOW and WHY.Is GOD real some people look at that in an unrealistic way.Yes there is a GOD but in a metaphorical sense. GOD is all energy mater time space light mass everything that creates the circle from beginning to end but is there really an end? And was there really a beginning the Human mind is a very complex machine at most but it has only discovered a very very very small fraction of what the universe is capable of just keep in mind you and I are on a blue planet floating in a black sea of emptiness and when you think about it the earth is just a microscopic speck in this sea do you really thing the universe or even GOD gives a **** WHAT YOU THINK!! Or even what science thinks for that mater.Make your peace dude there are things in the flip side of reality that are just there and there is know explanation for it. Ghost and spirits are a very good examples.I know believe me!!!NO I CAN'T MAKE ANY SENSE OF IT MY SELF ETHER..But me and a few friends of mine have seen some s*** that will make your skin crawl and turn you WHITE!!Good luck with your god research don't worry you wont find him! but he may find YOU! And it make make you a beleiver real F****** quick!!what is sad about all of that most of the time it has to be something bad in order for it to turn into something good. But its just life. Believe what you want to believe. Good things don't last for ever.Eventually bad things happen too all of us but again that's just life.|||Actually atoms can be split and so destroyed, nuclear energy.





The big bang theory just says that there was a singularity that expanded to form our universe, the material was in that singularity. If you are asking what created that singularity, then best look at theoretical physics with M-theory and the oscillating universe idea.





Still no god needed.|||1. universe is eternal and cannot be created nor be destroyed





No. The idea of an eternal universe died decades ago. Big bang theory tells us the universe is around 10-15 billion years ols.





2. atoms are eternal,they had made everything and everything end into them





No. Atoms were created in the young universe. Some atoms are still being created now, by nuclear fission in the stars. Before atoms came sub atomic particles.





3. big bang says that time,mattar and space came into existence with the big bang





Yes.





4. acc to law of thermodynamics mattar and energy cannot be created nor be destroyed they only transferred





Quantum physics (look into it). Laws of physics may have been diff rent at the start of the universe. We don't know that there was nothing, we just don't know what there was.





5. There can be a god which is beyond our mental and physical perception,which we could never prove through any means


it is a face biblical god does not exist in any sense as square circle





Assumption based on no logic at all.





Fail.|||The universe is chaotic and more than just a bit untidy.


All our physical laws are really just attempts to describe what we see and they are all incomplete generalities.


They are the best descriptions we have though.





You happen to be misinterpreting the law of thermodynamics, which only applies to closed systems anyhow while it is uncertain if the universe is an open or closed system.|||We hope to find out what ultimate reality is. But we simply think it is silly to attribute everything to God, who just happened to be here for eternity.|||Why do you folks keep imagining that us atheists are all theoretical physicists ?





We are atheists, we just don`t believe in any gods. No more, no less. Just because you have a set of compulsory thoughts that you hold in common with your fellow cultists does not mean that everyone else does. We are just a raggle taggle bunch of individuals with only one thing in common, the aforementioned disbelief in any gods..





Thanks.





Oh, by the way use capitals at the start of sentences, matter, not mattar and try to keep your written work tidy.





Thanks again.|||Belief in God is a matter of faith, you can either accept it or you can't.


Many can't because of all the problems in the world.


I believe the bad conditions in the world today were prophecied in the Bible.


The following articles might shed more light on the matter:|||Matter can be formed (created is the wrong term). You show a clear misunderstanding of thermodynamics right there!|||Reality is the ultimate reality.|||Ladies and gentlemen, I present yet another Christian saying that science claims things it doesn't.|||Face it, there is no God.|||No means no!|||What would the ultimate reality be if there was a god?|||I do not know.|||Challenge: Post that quuestion on the SCIENCE forum.





Or are you a troll?|||GIVE UP YOUR STUPID BELIEFS IN GOD AND YOULL BE HAPPIER... I PROMISE.|||read "brief history of time" please, then we will talk|||Terry Pratchett said


"Prayer is just a sophisticated method of pleading with thunderstorms"





just because we do not understand everything, i am not willing to just accept 'goddidit' as an answer.


'Goddidit' is lazy answer, it is stupid answer and it is an answer only fit for children (or childlike minds)





so, to answer your questions


1) wrong.. the universe had a beginning about 14 billion years ago





2) wrong - Einstein proved that E=Mc^2


Pure energy can be created from Mass (atoms)


a couple of kilo's of enriched uranium atoms can easily be converted into a hell of a lot of energy.





3) try reading some of the latest theories around 'brane' theory





4) see answer to 2) - you misunderstand the law of thermodynamics





5) god is a human construct.... could a god exist which is beyond our ken? well, yes, but why would that matter to anything





6) "it is a face biblical god does not exist in any sense as square circle"


I have no idea what you are trying to say here.


there are millions of gods which have been created in the imagination of humans. I treat all of them with equal disdain|||I think that all the stuff that scientist say about space is a bunch of bs. Who really knows what space looks like?? Nobody went up with them and seen it for them self they just believe whatever is told to them. It could be a big idea to get god out of the picture.